Interesting that the article has one of the same elements that Diane perpetrated when she drove to the hospital the night of the murders she made more of a fuss about her arm injury than she did about one of her kids dying and two of them being gravely and permanently wounded. I have worked in Child Protection for over 20 years and have extensive experience in this field domestically and internationally. The children had a father. As far as her innocence goes and the possibility of being paroled if she admitted her crime, Diane strongly maintains her innocence. Fair question. Even if I have no doubt that Hugi loved the kids, we have to wonder why he adopted them two years later just when little Christie started saying she had no clue who shot them. After completing his education and their short-lived high school romance, Steve Downs would move on to join the navy. I watched the paroles hearing in 08, was lucky to find it, it was streamed live at the timemy sister, who is a whiz with computers, found it for me. Inside, outside, top to bottom. No. Everything I outlined should be public knowledge. I am interested in the truth. But people never want to touch the high profile cases where the defendant is not likable. Even if they say that she did not get involved in rehabilitation programs, she did participate, but obviously did not admit to killing her daughter and injuring the others. This whole case is flawed. This seems very punitive to have a law like this be retroactive. Thats the point. Not giving you free reign here. You are wondering about the question why didn't steve downs get custody but currently there is no answer, so let kienthuctudonghoa.com summarize and list the top articles with the question. Makes major decisions easier because only one parent is legally responsible. Therefore, my understanding is that the original sentence is deemed indefinite with parole hearings every 10 years. I refer you to this section of the blog: They claimed to have found two lead cartridges in Dianes rifle at home that supposedly matched the ones used during the crime. Standards of conduct are defined by state law, but they generally require a judge to avoid appearances of impropriety, such as avoiding deciding a dispute in which the judge is personally involved in the issue at stake or has a relationship to one of the parties.. It could have been very different at almost any other time or with any other attorneys or juries too. Steve Bannon won't be detained before trial on charges of contempt of Congress after he failed to comply with subpoenas from the House committee investigating January 6. I agree on many points with your comment. They are still part of their birth family. Despite all of this: that the attorney became a Foster Carer irrelevant, inflammatory, subjective and bears no reflection on the trial, or indeed the trial outcome. Thanks again. answer the question why didn't steve downs get custody, which will help you get the most accurate answer. A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. Her flat affect is even more pronounced now and it did her in at the time, but she was lucid enough to clearly see that Rule and the media used Becky for their personal gain. It is not a hatefest and I do not wish death or life without parole on anyone. They hardly investigated any other lead after a couple of weeks. She was judged very harshly for her character and her defense was dismal. The implication was not only cruel, in the light of what Diane was suffering, it was also clear. Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we dont lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. In hindsight Im sure the grandparents wish they had pursued visitation more aggressively. I found nothing. Two wrongs do not make a right but illustrates that she should have never been coerced before, during or after the trial. ANNE RULES BOOK IS A LIE, ,ALL MADE UP CRAP. This is a conflict of interest. Someone found guilty of a crime should have a sentence that can be served and not one that is contingent on the remorse shown. She was in solitary confinement for years and even escaped from prison once but was recaptured. I hope this would never fly these days to separate wounded children from the only family members they have. Diane found a full-time job with the U.S. Post Office in 1981, and was stationed in Chandler. http://sputniknews.com/us/20150620/1023613662.html#ixzz3djEXlSAC // The Prison State of America Dec 28, 2014 Chris Hedges, http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_prison_state_of_america_20141228 On May 19, 1983, Elizabeth Diane Downs and her three small children were shot on a country road near Springfield, Oregon. The photo of Hugi I used is the one you find when you do a search online for Fred Hugi who prosecuted Diane Downs. My problem with the circumstances surrounding the crimes against these innocent children is that they were twisted by the media. While Rules book is biased, it was a look into the view of those who wanted justice for those children, wether you agree w/ their conclusion or not, that was their goal. She states, I did not shoot my children and I cant say I did. Jeff, you mention being harsh as if there was a justification for it. Foote ruled in favor of the prosecution and against the defenseon most of the admissible evidence questions including all the nurses notes about Danny talking about a man shooting him but admitted Christies reports about her mother shooting her. That they did not test the outside of the car? Why is there virtually no info on him? I hope they have. They are the ones who considered Dianes children as, To this day, his record is mixed; his law license was suspended for, Belli filed a motion for a 2-week extension to familiarize himself with the case because he had to be in Italy, and declared Diane innocent in a press conference, but Foote denied the motion and declared . I have no idea whether or not she was guilty of the crime. Foote refused 30 to 50 reports by detectives of sightings or leads about the shooter but admitted reports from people in Arizona willing to badmouth Diane. I saw footage of Diane herself laughing during the re-enactment of the crime. Justice is all that is left. Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. There was no question in Dianes mind that Knick would take another mistress if she married him, and that hed move on again. Yet that didnt stop Knick from asking Mr. Frederickson for a job and for Dianes hand in marriage (Appendix 81, page Case History Page 25). According to Diane, she then saw a man on the road flagging her and stopped thinking he needed help. The scene described in Small Sacrifices with little Christie hooked up to a machine and her pulse accelerates because she is terrified ofher mother is doubtful and subject to interpretation. CK allowed DD to drive away despite the fact she could identify him and he had a gun? Halo 4. Except for Paul Cortez. It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. What about the terror of being interrogated by strangers and separated from her family? Her children deserved the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Foote then handled the juvenile docket and first encountered Downs when he ordered her two surviving children into state protective custody. She never hurt anyone in the process of escaping. The fact that the judge who presided over the child welfare case and the criminal case was the same individual is absolutely a conflict of interest. As she walked away, Detective Welch called after her, If you dont testify against Steve, youre going to lose everything. Diane turned back to say, Show me proof, and walked away. Hello. Around 1 in 20 residents in Arkansas and Tennessee were missed during the 2020 census, and four other U.S. states had significant undercounts of their populations which could shortchange them Most people negotiate the ups and downs of . After graduation, Steven joined the Navy and Diane was sent to Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College where she failed miserably at remaining pure and chaste, not unlike most girls of her generation who rejected their strict religious upbringing. I do not know what happened on Old Mohawk Road on that dark evening, but I know that they did not have enough evidence totry andconvict Diane Downs. Sometimes it takes until late in life for connections to be made again. Right after the shooting, little Danny would ask the nurses, , Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that, Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. The State produced a witness (Ms. Patterson) to testify that Diane Downs entered the hospital bathroom, left the door open, and ran water in the sink (Appendix 87, page 476). Spending 35 years incarcerated with time in isolation and often as a target is not going to improve mental health. What about the affidavits of the guy who confessed to several people? But strangely, they took no photos of the crime scene and did not lift fingerprints from the drivers side of the car. I did not shoot my children.. Lise,,,,, yes you did. The strong, emotive language. At that timeand now!! This unhealthy marriage survived and became a daily struggle. There are many cases where investigators jump to conclusions either because in their gut they think they know or pressure to make an arrestand i guess with all the attention this case got they gave their gut and the public what they wanted. She complained about it, but that does not mean she did not suffer for her kids. And Steven was free to follow her lead or not. No conflict of interest there? The bushy haired stranger that police had gotten a lead on worked at the country club he was at work at that time and had a sever speech impediment. Tis why at 10 years old I was hearing about this case in Ohio, and family members talked about it around me.it hit with great force that way. Wasnt Mr. F supposed to be a child molester? She said a bunch of really stupid things in the media (my kids were lucky, not me gets the palm) and basically bury herself. You were not there and one thing I have learned about high profile cases, is that you cannot always believe what the media, biased detectives and Ann Rule have to say. It should have been investigated further. Diane recanted the stories about her dad who vehemently denied them. But for what it is worth, I believe she tried to kill her 3 kids. I am publishing your comment because once in a while, I need to post the pitiful representation of true crime readers who made Anne Rule a rich author. And Robert Knickerbocker became one of her lovers. Guilt or innocence no longer need to be debated in this case. The detective said to leave that up to the police. Actor Robert Blake was found not guilty of the shooting murder of his wife. You read a few comments. Also on old footage of the trial, as there was no cameras aloud, the drawing of Christie Downs from court artist also complies with the testimony given in the book, as far as her pain and crying. But you are right, some members of the jury and public had a reasonable doubt. But I am so tired of the enough time has been served and other criminals have been paroled. Anything less is a conflict of interest. Her three small children, Christie, 8; Cheryl, 7; and Danny, 3 . But there was a lot left unsaid about this relationship. It was a fairly new science at the time so thats all it took to find him not guilty. The State had the same gut feeling and made sure she would pay. This happened in 1983, not 1893. Likewise, Charlene had no intention of letting Knick divorce her (Appendix 81, page 1518, line 15). Its tiresome. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. I think that looked at through a more objective lens, many aspects of the Downs case are highly questionable. But Ann Rules utterly biased account is an insult to investigative journalism and there seems to be very reasonable doubt here. They claimed to have found two lead cartridges in Dianes rifle at home that supposedly matched the ones used during the crime. The two mental disorders that cause excessive talking are Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia. In her book, Ann Rule made sure to mention that running water was heard by a dispatcher when Diane was at the hospital; insinuating that she was washing her hands and getting rid of evidence. Diane had a few lovers, which Knick refused to acknowledge (Appendix 81, pages 1508, 1520). Even on a worldwide scale, the age of accountability is considered to be twelve years old. Steve Downes has voiced the Master Chief in the Halo games since his 2001 debut, and his voice has become synonymous with the character.However, despite Jen Taylor being asked to reprise her role as the . Im sure nothing I write will change that. Im glad you continued to look for more information as time went on. Plus, the circumstances of this charade were more than sinister. The details about the gun missing, the daughters testimony and the fact that she had no blood or gun residues are facts. Anyways. I like the way you keep an open mind about Diane herself and what she may or may not have been going through mentally. Her 7 yr old daughter was already dead, her other 2 children were in critical condition. You mention her youngest daughter, and how Ann made sure she only heard negative information about Diane.. Movie scene alleging that Christie was scared. Not that Dianes mental health was not a factor in her letter, but it was definitely taken out of context in some instances. Christie NEVER said she didnt know who did it she was just unwilling or afraid to tell on her mother. I guess Diane forgot to have that part engraved on the Unicorn. Only in Hollywood and in Ann Rules books, would you find such fantasy. They should have taken the time necessary to find enough evidence. They were put in an impossible situation. One should also wonder why their biological father who was so eager to bash his ex on the stand was not given custody, and did not stay in contact with his two remaining children. A trial should be based on facts and solid direct or circumstantial evidence. This is a more common route for children with parents who are incarcerated for what looks to be the entire childhood of the children. It was positive only on a small portion of her upper hand where she said the gun touched her when she wrestled with the attacker (a detail she had mentioned before they did the test). (Appendix 81, page 1466). I agree. Dianes story does not contradict that. The blog I read is all about the improprieties and flat out misconduct in Dianes trial (and the way Ann Rule profited off of it with fiction). I care about what was said at trial. She had no blood spatter or gun powder residue on her hands,clothing or hair. Their haste to go to trial created this mess and lingering doubts. They should have taken their timeto investigatethis case thoroughly and without prejudice. The following article hopes to help you make more suitable choices and get more useful information The DA adopting the children is an integral part of this and definitely needs to be included in the blog. The flesh and muscle had been cored three days earlier, but the steel plate and bone graft could not be effected for two weeks (a precaution against infection). They removed them and proceeded to interrogate the poor girl until she gave them what they needed. and so on. I dont care what Diane Downs says at the parole board hearing, except if she is innocent or guilty. The point is our trials need to be conducted fairly and based on evidence. We already know that. N u pleaded guilty of murdering ur husband. ?.the fact you are ignoring something SO OBVIOUS is a red flag. But you told Diane Downs to go ahead and get an apartment? The powers that be knew they had nothing on Diane so Christie became their sacrificial lamb. Diane Downs is no exception. Christie was it though. She'd also shot herself in the forearm. Another conflict of interest. A long long time ago. Or maybe an upvote/downvote arrow for each. Van Houten has made her choices and needs to own up to her actions and stop putting all the blame on drugs and Manson. Diane needs some serious spiritual advancement and atonement before she ever will have or deserve peace. "We are obviously disappointed at the verdict. Everything matters in a trial and investigation. The problem with high profile cases is that the media, the DA, the cops and authors like Ann Rule dictate the narrative and it becomes almost impossible to look any other way unless you are a critical thinker devoid of emotions related to the case. time it was the situation was down. Now in hindsight, seeing footage on youtube, especially the interview she did with the reporter Anne Jagger, the things she says and facial expression is exactly described in the bookhad to find the section in the book, but on that note, Anne rule did site that interview correctly. Either way he could NOT have seen who shot him unless he has eyes in the back of his head. But the high profile nature of the case might hinder the process. That poor girl. They were in their care during the time Diane worked when she moved to Oregon. Her father passed away in October 2017 after having fought relentlessly for her release. You are wondering about the question why didn t steve downs get custody but currently there is no answer, so let kienthuctudonghoa.com summarize and list the top articles with the question. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. Wasnt it speculative on their part? A conviction founded on lies is no conviction at all. Page 50 of Case History. I watched and worried through her escapeto find her childrens real attackerthat bushy haired stranger . Clearly the social workers were working with the DAs office and taking advice on best interest of the children from them. I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular: this blog is clearly one sided. that you told Diane to tell steve that she was Knicks I know that most people think she is guilty. It is not a plus, but it is not a crime either. tell someone else. If you have an opinion on drugging a child to make her talk, a judge presiding over a criminal case when he was in family court and removed the children from the defendants or the forensics, ballistic, etc. Her 7-year old daughter Cheryl died but her 3-year old son Danny and her 8-year old daughter Christie survived. (This is why Foote was assigned the case. Why didnt they mention that he said a bad man and whatever else in his condition when they knew it was not possible? woman quot~ unquote, do you remember anything like that? Dianes dad died a year or two ago. In 1992 I became involved in this work following my interest and research into a notorious murder trial that was held in Oregon many years ago. Diane did not get a fair trial. It would never happen todaynever. I go fishing with a jurors husband. I do not have to state anything at the beginning of the blog. I am a firm believer of where there is smoke there is fire. The weird behavior (laughing and joking in the shooting reenactment), bullets found at her home and the constant changing of her story only is icing on her guilty cake. Reasonable doubt is most certainly lacking. . As you might know, Dianes father passed away after many years of anguish over the fate of his daughter. And if you claim your innocence, it obviously creates a vicious circle of not showing contrition. This case flew under my radar so to speak because it happened before my time. They dont need to be adopted and have their entire identity changed. Seriously. Washing soda is your best bet: It includes, among its ingredients, the exceedingly corrosive carbolic acid. It deserved as much attention as a Unicorn, a song or all the other hearsay floating around because at least, they came from real people signing official documents. TIL On May 19, 1983, Diane Downs shot her three children and drove them at 5-7 mph to the hospital. I mean, yeah, I can see the no contact order with Diane. Her attorney, James Jagger, did a poor job for Diane. I mention in my blog that when her adoptive dad said that she was coerced and thats why she said she did not know who shot them, that of course she was because this is what she does when under pressure. Christie Downs was eight-years old when she was injured and nine-years old when she testified. James C. Jagger who was hired by Dianes father was an ex-Prosecutor. Hey Jace, I was not going to post your insulting comments but I decided to let the last sentence fly so that I could answer it. No worries. lol. I would also like to express my disbelief that the same judge presided over both the child welfare case and the criminal one. Why did CK shoot the kids multiple times and DD once? On May 19, 1983, Diane and her kids visited a friend to look at her new horse, and then went for a drive; not at all unusual for this family not living according to middle class rules. Downs is a worthless as the day is long.. Maybe you should read the blog before commenting. Diane was in the hospital for a bone graft from June 2nd until June 6th, 1983. Mrs. Fredericksons concern for her daughters emotional state was well placed. Diane was diagnosed as being bipolar and subsequently diagnosed by a psychiatrist before sentencing. It is beyond belief that the State of Oregon allowed the prosecutor to adopt those children. As Ms. Patterson left the stand, Diane complained to her attorney that Ms. Patterson had lied under oath. It became judicial kidnapping to obtain a coerced confession: inflammatory I wish she could get a new look. Were they involved in the plot too?? In Oregon, in 1983, she shot her 3 children, 1 daughter died. If it was not such a high profile case, Diane Downs would have been paroled a long time ago, considering her good behavior and lack of priors. Probably a 911 button. I wasnt there and the records will never be brought to light as far as the child welfare case. By the way, Dianes parents mourn the loss of their grandchildren to this day. She was also shot twice andifshe had been sitting up, the seats would have been covered with blood spatter as well as the shooter. The fact that she took the kids to the nearest hospital, andtwo of them survived kind offlies in the face of their murder at all costs theory. But the birth of little Danny did not make this bad boy change his stripes; he remained a cad and a destabilizing force in their lives. Judges are subject to certain ethical standards and have a duty to be impartial. They now have social media arenas reminiscent of the Romans cheering at the sight of a thumb down meaning there will be a bloodshed. Children under the age of twelve may cognitively grasp the concept of truth and lie, but lack the conscience which compels people to apply the concept to their lives, or the strength to maintain the truth when adults coerce her to lie. Just a thought. That wasn't all that stood in their way, as Diane eventually ran away from home. Ask them what they did to a good man. LMFAO!!!! Christie became the star witness against her mother and who could resist such a touching testimony? GSR can easily fall off just by brushing your hand against a surface. This is also what the state did to her. The judge who took away her children presided over her criminal trial. Ur not showing facts that Ann Rule lied n misled n ruined lives with. Dr. Obrecht Learns if She's a Bone Marrow Match for Willow Plus, Nikolas' Whereabouts Are Revealed. What got her convicted was two things the towel and Christie. Evidence from a ballistics expert. The first two children were Diane's kids with her ex husband Steve Downs. I was always really bothered by that. You hit the nail right on the head. It was half baked escape plans that were more in her head than anything and that the media enjoyed blowing out of proportions. Its more understandable now, after all this time but it has done her so much harm, then and now Not optional, kids should not be in limbo that long, but it happens all the time. If thats what you want then dont pretend its anything but. There is no way that a jury would convict Diane today, based on the clearly coached testimony of Christie. After giving birth to . Diane was instructed to reenact her response to the attacker who murdered her daughter. Mr. Jagger failed to challenge that competency. Page 40 of Case History. She folded it neatly around her arm. It is because she is a high profile person. There is her story, the prosecution case and the defense arguments. I will agree that it was suspicious that Diane got away with one bullet in the arm, even if the injury was severe, but she was outside the car and many scenarios are possible to that effect. I have researched the case and pointed out discrepancies and the fact that it was not the slam dunk that they were portraying. Dianes brother, James, sat in court one day andnoticed Foote looking at Hugi before ruling on an objection. It became judicial kidnapping to obtain a coerced confession. Cheryl was shot twice in the back and one of the bullets ended up on the floorboard. Like I said, the 2 years make it a bit more of a gray area. Lets not forget that she was presumed to have fired a gun 6 times at close range within the confines of a small car. Surprisingly, he accepted the new child and learned to love him dearly. So should I put an addendum saying that Diane contradicted herself or was not satisfied with the sketch? She wanted a lawyer to defend her vigorously but the judge stopped her from getting good representation. Diane had moved to Oregon only 6 weeks before the tragedy to work in the area and have her parents spend time with the kids. She waseighteen and soon realized that she had jumped from the fire into the frying pan. They did a trace metal test to see if Diane had held a gun. Diane clearly would have had to have had her rights terminated by the court. Why does the blogger not clarify this? I am all for reviewing facts and getting a decision overturned in cases of corrupt decisions, and many people are on your side and find these cases totally worth their time. Basically then at that These are no facts its partial truths and conjecture. Maybe because of her notoriety and the victims were children. Yes, Im sure this stranger wanted to kill her kids but only wound her, who, coincidentally, had a towel handy neatly folded on her wound. 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